Hello all and specially Mrgrowit,
I am new and been doing some research for sometime, however the net is good because you get a lot of information but bad because you read millions of ideas that gets more complicated the decision. So I am thinking in starting 4x4:
Spiderfarmer SF4000 - for the price range of $500 do you think I would be better with something else ? Do you have discount code as like the past that works on their European page ?
Intake fan - Ac infinity t6 - quite expensive but I really want the low db. This is your advise ? Any other that you think should be considered ?
For the Fans how many it is needed I see people with 1 others with 4, still don’t know. Do you advise a specific brand that are very quiet ?
Nutrients - I am thinking going with a three pack from a brand bio bizz or similiar, calmag. Is there something more that is really needed ?
Regarding the AC infinity and the normal fans should they all be working 24/7, only when lights are on? or what is the time, still don’t get it:(
Last question and sorry all of this. Do you think for first time I ahould do any training or just let them grow as you showed on your last video ? If train what do you advise ? Scrog + topping ?
Thank you so much and sorry for wall of text.
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Olá outra x m8 😜🤘🏻
Let me share my newb knowledge once more and what I’ve gathered from my own research,
You will need at least 2 extra vents, one for air circulation, another to reach the plants canopy and branches to help the stems to get stronger also as a prevention against mold and pests. At least one should rotate so you dont need to remember to keep changing the position.
The small vents make more humming noise than my in-line, even the one I’ve bought with a copper motor. And clip fans last like 6months so do go to crazy, at least a good one to have on the ground and another one or 2clips, it will also save you some space in the end.
And all the vents stay on with and without lights, you can adjust the speeds according to the plant stages but at least 1should remain on all the time.
For the Nuts, I’m also using Biobizz but got the full line, dropped like 80€ but they will last at least 2grows if not more.
Check this full product description and how to use them and this will take most of your doubts regarding Biobizz and what plan should you follow if you go with it.
Also check this post for some Automatization ideas,
For the training. If you don’t get like a gorilla tent that has the extra height space you will need to train them somehow or you will be without space, the light need to have a certain distance from the plants, so in a 2mt height you need to have in consideration the height of the pots plus the gap of the lights plus the breeder indicated height for the strain and make some calculation, even canopy equals more and better yields in contrast with “Christmas tree“ shape. Some of the techniques depend of the type of plants you choose to breed, autos or photo ones and then you will face the eternal question, to top or not to top 😂😎.
The ac cloudline is top noch and will be my next grow purchase.
Grow on
Ola :)
thank you so much for your inputs and advises yes still learning and hopefully get the right stuff(if right stuff exists). I will definitely look at that Sanofo ones.
I will be going photo seeds, jurt hhdeciding the number. See that probably 6 is to much for the space.
Regarding the time of the fans we read so much on the internet ones just say to keep the when light on, others change bahhh.
@Mr. Grow It others, any input From original questions ?
again thank you so much in advance to make this so helpful
Welcome to the forum! You have some good questions. Here are some answers to them: Spiderfarmer SF4000 - for the price range of $500 do you think I would be better with something else ? Do you have discount code as like the past that works on their European page ?
That's probably the cheapest you'll pay for a LED grow light to cover a 4x4 area. I ran that light before and got some good results. Discount code:
MRGROWIT5
That code works worldwide :) https://amzn.to/2HGIz71
Intake fan - Ac infinity t6 - quite expensive but I really want the low db. This is your advise ? Any other that you think should be considered ?
That inline fan is by far the best inline fan on the market and it will make controlling your environment conditions much easier since it has a control panel. It is definitely worth the higher price $ IMO. https://amzn.to/3mpLoIV
For the Fans how many it is needed I see people with 1 others with 4, still don’t know. Do you advise a specific brand that are very quiet ?
I used to just run one but now I run two because in one of my past grows my fan died and mold formed due to lack of air circulation. Here's the one I use: https://amzn.to/3e1hyat
Nutrients - I am thinking going with a three pack from a brand bio bizz or similiar, calmag. Is there something more that is really needed ?
That should be all that is needed.
Regarding the AC infinity and the normal fans should they all be working 24/7, only when lights are on? or what is the time, still don’t get it:(
Let me try to explain it so it is easy for you. Plants need CO2 in order to grow. A general rule is to change the air in your grow space every 1-5 minutes. However, if you have small seedings then they don't need the air changed out as often as say several large plants filling up the grow space wall-to-wall. If you get the AC infinity fan, you can either set in on a certain speed or set it to come on when the temperature and/or humidity reaches a certain point. Once you get the equipment set up, it takes practice to figure out how to balance your environment.
Last question and sorry all of this. Do you think for first time I should do any training or just let them grow as you showed on your last video ? If train what do you advise ? Scrog + topping ?
Totally up to you. If you're a beginner and just want to let the plants grow naturally, then go for it. If you want to do some training you can. Most will do LST and topping. Hope this helps. Good luck! :)
@Mr. Grow It thank you so much for this help (saw you replying to so many posts.) it is much appreciated the time dedicated.
I will go then with the equipment mentioned and will provide some feedback when started :) and probably some more questions.
For the spider farmer I can’t buy in European Amazon because they don’t have stock. I am going to buy directly from spiderfarmer.eu but your code doesnt work:) probably they only gave you to the American one.
again thank you so much.
@interestedperson33 Ah ok I didn't realize they had an eu site. I know it works for amazon eu
Hi again,
So things are moving and setup is being assemble :) I will inform the final set when I have it.
Regarding the amount of plants on a 4x4 I already read so much places and understand it depends about several factors. In my case I will use the Scrog train because I believe is good and already read a lot of thinna about it (hopefully I am doing the correct thing) but with Scrog in mind what would be the correct number in your view ? 4 plants 6 plants ?
And regarding the breed ? Do you think it is wise to do same breed for all or a combination ?
thank you so much again.:)
@interestedperson33 If you start from seed, even if it's the same strain, different plants will grow differently. So you can either do the same strain or all different strains. Just expect each plant to grow a bit differently unless you start from clone. If you do 6 plants in a 4x4, it will take less time to fill up the grow space so you can flip to flower faster. 4 plants may be easier in the sense where you don't have to water/feed as many plants. So there are pros and cons to both.
Hi Again,
So equipment is arriving and I should start soon. I believe I got most of the equipment under control just a few more questions if I may.
ac infinity cloudline t6 - what configuration you use so i can try to replicate. and do you leave always a minimum on or just when reach some numbers ?
Germination I am thinking in using Jiffy and as soon as they sprout I put on the final pots. Is this ok ? When they are seedlings in the final pot when should I start the 18/6 times ? as soon as they are out ?
I am trying to understand the intensity and height of the leds, they normally say in veg and flower but what about seedlings ? When do we consider veg ?
regarding the tent I am still to understand if we should leave one whole semi open to enter air ? Since I only have the out fan with the filtre.
the supportive fans do you leave them always on ? Better to be on the ceeling poiting to bottom or bottom pointing to ceeling ?
Let apologize in advance so much questions
Regards
baaamos😜, let’s get this grow started!!
Veg state is when they have 2 to 4 sets of leaves or 10-15 cm in height.
For the germination/seedlings and veg state check out this vids,
https://youtu.be/k1o4_w1nin8
https://youtu.be/_oti8cYedoo
For the tent I keep the 2 passive intakes semi open, you need to have at least one open and that will create pressure, you need to aim for negative pressure, that is when you exhaust more air than the one you intake and the tent walls will be sucked in a concave shape.
The other fans, at least one always on, not directly to the plants for the 1st 2weeks or so, like in a mid height position, then one in the ground and another rotating through the plants.
Grow on
Thank you so much @Totoca great advises. but semi open doesnt the light enter ?
still very confused about the fans even reading and seeing millions of videos :)
thank you again it is much appreciated. @Mr. Grow It any advise from you on the other questions ?
again sorry for all questions.
@interestedperson33 ac infinity cloudline t6 - what configuration you use so i can try to replicate. and do you leave always a minimum on or just when reach some numbers ?
I have mine set to High of 82F and 65% in Veg and High of 82F and 60% in Flowering. I've done other settings before; these are just my current settings. Your settings are really going to depend on your climate. It's probably best to play around with the settings until you've figured out how to balance the temperature and humidity in the environment.
Germination I am thinking in using Jiffy and as soon as they sprout I put on the final pots. Is this ok ? When they are seedlings in the final pot when should I start the 18/6 times ? as soon as they are out ?
Yes you can transplant from jiffy to final pot if you'd like. I run 18/6 for the entire vegetation stage.
I am trying to understand the intensity and height of the leds, they normally say in veg and flower but what about seedlings ? When do we consider veg ?
Every LED grow light is different. 200-400 PPFD for seedlings/clones/mother plants. Some consider seedling stage first 2 weeks, some consider seedling stage first 3 weeks, some consider seedling stage within Veg. So it's different depending on who you ask.
regarding the tent I am still to understand if we should leave one whole semi open to enter air ? Since I only have the out fan with the filtre.
You'll need at least one intake vent open so when air is being pulled out from your inline fan, air will be able to come into the tent. I leave 1 open in my 2x4 tent and 2 open in my 4x4 tent.
the supportive fans do you leave them always on ? Better to be on the ceeling poiting to bottom or bottom pointing to ceeling ?
Oscillating fans should be kept on 24/7. Try to get air circulation throughout the environment without too much air blowing on your plants resulting in wind burn.
@Mr. Grow It awesome suportt thank you so much ir is a great help as always.
i think I got it most of it:)
the lights I will read a bit about the instructions that came with the sf4000. Hopefully they know what they say ahahah :)
For the intake fan I will play around with the min and max. However does that mean that your fan only starts when it reaches those values ? Or do you put always on like 20% always and when reaches the max or min it starts full power ?
@interestedperson33 However does that mean that your fan only starts when it reaches those values ? Or do you put always on like 20% always and when reaches the max or min it starts full power ? Correct, it will turn on when it reaches those values. For example when the lights turn on, the grow lights emit heat and it will raise the environment temperature to 82F and then the intake fan comes on which of course exhausts that hot air and provides fresh air for the plants. Often times when the lights turn off, the plants are still transpiring and the RH goes up, then the inline fan turns on which of course exhausts that humidity and provides fresh air for the plants. Some growers leave their inline fans on 24/7, that's another way to go about it. Whatever you need to do in order to maintain optimal temp and humidity.
Keep the questions coming m8 and leave no doubt unturned😜
Did you choose the tent already? there are some light leakage in any of the combination of my flaps on the passive intakes following the brand recommendations,
give a look at this post
https://www.mrgrowit.com/forum/grow-community/passive-air-intake-light-coming-through-tent-vents-during-dark-period
but again every brand is different and that was just my DIY.
For the fans see this vid all the times that you need
and here’s another for you, download the app Audible, register an account and they offer the 1st credit, you can use that to get the audiobook from Mr Grow It cause its really worth it👌🏻 and being able to listen while doing other stuff is so good💪🏼 But be aware that this is addictive and I’ve got 6 audiobooks already 😂🤪
obrigadooooo @Totoca
well i am probably choosing the Dark room of secret jardin. I was looking at yours and this one and don’t think 40 euros more is needed. As you know we are limited on country shops:( but again dont know. The budget is already to high for my initial estimation ahahah
Did you put the seed directly on the soil or you first put it in the cup of water ? Did you let the lights on or only when they sprout ?
the Ec and PH where did you buy it ? I am thinking of buying international shops since most of the brands here cant find reviews :)
buying the sanoff gadgets as well :) thank you for the advise.
And for budget I am still not buying humidifier or dehumidifier or ac :) hope I have a good climate inside.
De nada😜 Qq coisa tou por aqui💪🏼!!!!
I feel you regarding the budget, went at least 50% over 😂😂!
If you are buying the dark room on any of the Portuguese sites, given them a call 1st to confirm about the stock!!!!!
Was in love with it, bought it and paid in 2different websites just to have an email after that saying the tent is out of stock(both websites were mentioning availability and allow my payment to go through), gave up on the 3rd attempt with always the same information,” this is made in China and due to Covid the factory has stopped making them and all the major sellers buy them from the same factory.”
Im running Autos and they are a little diferente of the photos you are going to run, they germinated directly in the final container because transplants aren‘t recommended to autos but saw a couple of videos about germination and after seeing the one from Mr Grow It with the germination experiment decided to go with the final pot and skip soaking the seeds or the paper towel method and had 100% germination rate.
Search for some germination videos, choose a technique that you feel you can replicate and hope for the best 🤞🏻
For the lights, they were off until they sprout after that 18/6, had my lights to close initially and saw some heat marks, dial in the distance and off they went.
EC and PPM meter bought them on OLX, new ones for 15€ the pack but this week while scrolling in Amazon.es (purchases come directly to the adress by a carrier without passing through customs ;) saw the same ones for about 5€ each😎(yellow ones like a pen), they will not last 6months before another calibration but they do the trick for now. Added one to the wish list that do both, cost around 20€ and seems more durable.
Rock on with the Sonoff, didn’t mentioned but the th16 is where my lights are connected and the app also works as the timer so it’s another thing you don’t need to get, also they have another interesting tab on the app that I didn’t try cause Ive got an old wifi webcam but supposedly you can use any old phone that has wifi and use it as a wifi camera in the tent.
This has been also priceless for me, I just open my tent once a day to take photos, do some Lst and check for signs of whatever and the rest of the time Im in the webcam app checking my girls.
humidifier bought it on OLX used for 20€ and it works like a charm, the dehumidifier Is an old beast from the house but I’m from Porto and our humidity levels are crazy so it’s a must for me.
If you can, when you have all set up run a 2days test before planting the girls, imagine that they are inside and try to control the temp and humidity and it will give you a notion of what twerks you might need.
Do you select the strains already? That’s another trip on its own 😜
Obrigado novamente @Totoca
I will call them tomorrow, hope they have in stock bahh, only missing that. If not I am a bit screwed.
I believe I will go with those from amazon or similar. Found these Pancellent 4 in 1. Do you store them on any solution ?
And water are You using destilada ?
The seeds were Cookiè Gelato and White widow :)
For the sanofo probably didn’t get it right. Was thinking in buying the sensor and the th16 and that is it. Then a wifi plug to connect the lights and control the on and off on there.
@interestedperson33 😂😂 exactly the same issue, had every thing bought and was dealing with the tent issue 💪🏼, hopefully they will have it 🤞🏻 if not prepare a plan B.
In my case it was better, really happy with the Par+(white interior) but you have other options, another small tip, some of the pt websites I referred have or fidelity points that you can try to use on a 2nd purchase or discounts when subscribing the newsletter, made the purchase of the tent and after used the discount points on a 2nd purchase for the nuts, read carefully the discounts/points on every site 💪🏼
ive got this ones that are similar
And if you go with Biobizz products the ph will be just for peace of mind (is always better to have one) as long as you know the input of the water, the Biobizz soil has a natural buffer that only reduces ph but doesnt increase it, so if your are a little bit over the 6.5, 6.8 it will reduced it to the 6.4, 6.5 mark but if you are under these values it will not help at all.
Also check this vid from Mr Bloom, lost count of the times I’ve saw it👌🏻
https://youtu.be/eiRKgqMpvBg
I don’t store it in solution but from what I’ve read we should😎
The water is on my next grow update list, my tap water is a little over the 400ppm mark so it’s a no no, don’t use destilada 🤪😜reverse osmosis water but I’m thinking on trying to snatch one in the black Friday along side with a cloudline if the price is right 😂.
Im using bottled water, ppm of 140 and ph of 6.5, it was easy on the 1st month but now they are drinking about 10lts for the 6plants every 3/4 days, thats a lot of jugs!!
Good choice on the strains m8👌🏻
For the Sonoff, the TH16 is the wifi termo/higrometer and also a smart plug itself, on one side you connect the probe of 1meter and on the bottom you need to manually (and that’s the pain in the ass part) make the connection to a power cable and to another female power cable that can receive any device and be remotely controlled on the app.
If it just for the lights the th16 is enough and no extra wifi plug is needed,
Saw this Vid of a Brazilian guy adding the female power cable and its a really smart idea so you are not stuck with a device connected to the th16 like the fan you see on the image and you can connect the one you need.
just remember to buy at least 2mt cables for making the connections and will give you enough cable length💪🏼
On the app you have multiple options, im just using the schedule one
Hello again:)
So just to maintain the log! I will be ready to start this week all equipment done. Recap
SF 4000
Secret Jardin dark room 4x4
ac infinity cloud line t6
6 fabric pots
Biobizz all mix soil
6 photo feminized seeds
@Mr. Grow It all,
last question before start and I read millions of foruns already should I go direct soil germination or Peat pellets or cup ? I was tending to go direct soil for no issue with transplant but scared because soil is pre fertiled with nuttrients and read that roots don’t become to strong. Saw as well the video of comparing all ways. Please your final opinion ?
Should the fan go directly to the small seedlings ? Saw that helps get stronger base but can get wind burn ahah. So much information.
Again thank you and sorry for all questions. I decide one thing but start reading and watching so much things that confuses again.
This was my set up for the seedlings after removing the cups and only the gray fan was rotating way above the plants
Nice job on getting the tent 💪🏼💪🏼 Grow on
@interestedperson33 should I go direct soil germination or Peat pellets or cup ? I was tending to go direct soil for no issue with transplant but scared because soil is pre fertiled with nuttrients and read that roots don’t become to strong. Saw as well the video of comparing all ways. Please your final opinion ?
Direct soil if you don't feel comfortable or don't want to transplant. I feel like 98% of plants turn out fine in soil that is amended with organic nutrients. Just be very careful not to over-water, as that is a common problem when starting in a large container.
Should the fan go directly to the small seedlings ? Saw that helps get stronger base but can get wind burn ahah. I keep the fan pointed to the side so it doesn't hit seedlings for the first 7-14 days. After that, they should be strong enough to handle the intermittent wind from an oscillating fan without having a negative impact.
Here’s a pic of my 4x4 Flower tent. 4 Plants in 5 Gal pots. I’m very happy with the AC Infinity exhaust. I have a cheap in take fan (lower left) 1 oscillating fan (right rear) 1 small cheap fan (right front) I run all fans on their lowest setting 24/7 when in Flower. Towards the end of flower I kick up the exhaust fan to bring down temps. In the beginning of Veg phase you can get away with 1 fan circulating air, but as the plants get bigger you’re going to want more fans moving air
Hello @MicB, awesome and thank you for giving your feedback.
I don’t have an intake fan so I am doing I believe what they call negative pr s .
Do your acinfintiy always on with a slow speed ? Or only kicks off when humidity or temperature reach certain numbers ? Asking this because if the the temp and Hum are good we never have exhaust air.
thank you again.
My grow is in a basement and my temp is around 70 degrees and humidity around 45 outside of the tent. Inside the tent with the AC Infinity running 24/7 it’s around 40% humidity and 82-84 degrees when the lights are on. The last 2 weeks of flower I’ll kick the fan up when the lights are on to drop the temps a little. I’m a fan of a constant exchange of air especially during the flower stage to reduce the chance of powdery mildew, mold, and bud rot. If running it 24/7 drastically impacted my temp and humidity I’d have make changes to optimize the environment, but it works fine for my location and setup.
Thank you so much @MicB I believe this about ac infinity still need to check it. Mine are still not out of the soil :) planted 1 day ago.
Oh yeaaaaaaaah 😜💪🏼 Good luck for the germination m8 🤞🏻
Hello all,
Not sure if this helps but I will keep a log here if progress and questions for a full cycle.
After two days 5 are out and today 4 days I see the 6th coming out.
got one fan now full time not pointing to the seedlings. They look ok with a strain with dark stem. I read and think this could be strain only.
Temp with lights on around 77F and humidity 68 72ish. Will start the 18on 6off today.
@Mr. Grow It or anyone with the lights and ac.
So I set the auto for high temp 82f and 71humidity for now. But i believe it never reachs those numbers And ac infinity never kicks on. Should I change or let them grow a bit more.
For the Sf4000 and since you had experience what where the heights around cycle ? I have at the moment at 30 inches. I am scared they would get taller and thinner ? Is this ok ? and in veg dropping to 24inches?
Another one is did you do full power or proteession ? I read a lot to do peogression like 25% seedlings to some weeks in veg, 50 to flower 75 to mid end flowe and 100 end of flower. What do you think ? From your experience what is the best ?
Since the soil is already fertilized and they are in that soil in the nursery pots I will not give any more nutrients for the first weeks. what about callmag?
thank you all.
Just a small update. during the 6 hours with lights off the temperature maintains on the 67ish but humidity rises to the highs 70 (78 79) and even with the infinity at level 10 doesn’t drop anything of humidity, it sometimes even raises 1 or 2. is this normal ?
@interestedperson33 So I set the auto for high temp 82f and 71humidity for now. But i believe it never reachs those numbers And ac infinity never kicks on. Should I change or let them grow a bit more.
For seedlings, I'd change the air 1-2 times a day max.
For the Sf4000 and since you had experience what where the heights around cycle ? I have at the moment at 30 inches. I am scared they would get taller and thinner ? Is this ok ? and in veg dropping to 24inches?
I use a PAR meter and don't really track light distance. However, I created a PAR test video which can help you determine light distance. See here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA2_J7fv8NY I aim for:
200-400 PPFD for seedlings/clones/mother plants 400-600 PPFD for plants in Veg 600-900 PPFD for plants in flowering
Another one is did you do full power or proteession ? I read a lot to do peogression like 25% seedlings to some weeks in veg, 50 to flower 75 to mid end flowe and 100 end of flower. What do you think ? From your experience what is the best ?
The SF4000 I had didn't have a dimmer so I did full power. Dimming would be ideal so you can conserve energy.
Since the soil is already fertilized and they are in that soil in the nursery pots I will not give any more nutrients for the first weeks. what about callmag? I start feeding CalMag around the same time as I stat feeding bottled nutrients.
Just a small update. during the 6 hours with lights off the temperature maintains on the 67ish but humidity rises to the highs 70 (78 79) and even with the infinity at level 10 doesn’t drop anything of humidity, it sometimes even raises 1 or 2. is this normal ? If I'm understanding correctly, the air being pulled into your grow space must be that humidity. Are you running a dehumidifier?
Hi @Mr. Grow It ,
Thank you thank you thank you thank you :)
I will promise I will not ask a huge number of questions to no bother you and everyone .
So about infinity I am now just running it on on all the time with 4 power. I really can’t get the auto to work correctly, mainly because it will never turn on or is turning on and off if I decrease the madimum. At the moment I have around 77F and 64 Humidity during lights and 65F and 72 Humidity during lights off. no dehumifier working.
So callmag only with the other and I think you say that would probably only occur 3 weeks after because soil already have Nutrients. Correct ? So dumb question again. After three weeks i will probably transplante from nursery pots to final ones and the soil I use on bigger pots are fertilize. So this means I will not feed again for three weeks ?:)
Do you think than 25 (until first weeks of veg) 50 until flowering 75 until mid end flowe 100 late flower during cycle is ok and enough ?
I will stop with the questions now to give some space. I think I am asking to much questions.
@interestedperson33 So callmag only with the other and I think you say that would probably only occur 3 weeks after because soil already have Nutrients. Correct ? So dumb question again. After three weeks i will probably transplante from nursery pots to final ones and the soil I use on bigger pots are fertilize. So this means I will not feed again for three weeks ?:)
Yeah 3 weeks in should be fine. You can check the PPM of the runoff to get an idea of when to feed.
Do you think than 25 (until first weeks of veg) 50 until flowering 75 until mid end flowe 100 late flower during cycle is ok and enough ? I don't understand this question.
Hello all and I am back :)
So ladies sprout 3 weeks ago, i have been very conservative with watering since I read that is main mistake from newbies like me :) so on that aspect I believe it is being good, I think :)
So I transplanted them from nursy pots to final 5 gallons on day 15, I saw roots already around the medium. The medium is a bio bizz all mix.
Today is day 20 and they look like pictures. I didnt water since transplant. Will probably do today.
Some of them have dropped leaves, not sure if it is overwatering like most forums. Strange since I don’t water them for 5 days. What you think ?
The small plant was out two days after othrers and look like that ? Do you think she will continue ? She doesn’t have a main Stam don’t know why ?:)
And last question, I am going to top. Hopefully is a good decision. But I am dumb and really cant count and see if they are 5th node or I should top with them being like that. Can you tell me if the one individual what node it is? And if I should cut the whole structure that is pouting up ?
thanks all for great support until here long journey ahead
Potentially underwated then. Underwatered plants droop down as well. I've had deformed plants like that before. It's pretty rare. Looks like 5th node.
Hi Chris,
Thank you for the quick feedback and support.
I just watered them now and they took more than 1.2l each and no runoff. So probably that was the case. The small runoff the ppm were 1600. It is a fresh soil.
For that deformed should I stop or in your experience still gives something ?
For the topping should I go now ? To do it is cut that whole upper pointy stuff ?
Sorry for dumb questions.
I'd let the deformed plant grow naturally. Not sure what you mean by stop. Did you mean Top? If so, i'd just let it grow naturally. Deformed plants like that usually grow slow and stay small. You can top now if you'd like. I persoanlly like to top at the 5th node.
Understood and again thank you.
I tought that you said from the pics they were in the 5th node already. And thus the question if it is now to top or do wait to create a new node. I know this is silly but I read, saw pictures and can’t really seem to understand the nodes and topping. sense it is a very stressful thing from what I read i dont want to put everything to waste by doing it wrong.
I know it must be bad seeing all the same newbie questions :)
@interestedperson33 Yes, they appear to be on their 5th node and my last post I mentioned that's when I like to top them. Then the lower branches will grow out and you can do LST to widen the plant. That is just one strategy. There are many different ways to go about it. Not sure if you've seen this vid; my apologies if you already said you have. In this video, my friend Pigeons420 and I talk about different training techniques. It's just a discussion video so there's no visuals but it may be helpful audio to listen to while you're in the garden or something.
Hi @Mr. Grow It ,
First sorry for the late response but I had some issues. Now all fixed.
Yes yes I saw the video I think I wateched most of yours already several times. Probably just me not being sure what to do. Easy to see on a video but when something you have in front of you a bit different you stuck.
So status report. I topped 4 of them, 1 still not there and the other is deformed ahah.
Read a lot about drop leaves and mine are only like that couple of hours before lights out. And I think that is normal, I think.
So i didn’t water them for 4 days and watered today. Almost 2Litres (think half a gallon) and no runoff. I am afraid something is wrong or is it normal. I didn’t want to water more. if no runoff I am not sure if I should start Feed nutrients. What you think ?
for training besides topping I still didn’t do anything, I looked at all and I think I am going to scrog. not sure if it is to complex for first growth. what is your advise?
thank thank thank you. I will put some pics to be easier to check.
I'd need to know a lot more information in order to give you my thoughts on if you should start feeding nutrients or not and also on training. I'm sure some of the info is in this thread but it's a long thread and right now I don't have the time to re-read it all. If you can post a pic of the plant, let me know what medium you're in, the pH of the runoff, and the PPM of the runoff then I can give you a better answer.
Hi @Mr. Grow It
You are right sorry I was trying to not long the post.
Soil - All Mix Biobizz
Never added any other nutrient.
24 days from sprout
8 days from transplant to bigger pots (5gallon)
3 days from top (4 of them)
5 days ago I watered but no run off. Watered again today (+- 2Litres) again without runoff.
Water is bottled one 6.5PH.
Can’t measure ppm or ph because i don’t have runoff.
Sf4000 lights at 45% around 27” above. 18/6 cycle.
Temp 64 night and 69/70 day
Hum 63 day and 70ish night
Cirfular fan always on above canopy and extractor fan always on at 3 speed (acinfinity)
Thanks for the additional info. So if we don't know the pH or PPM of the runoff then we are just guessing. In that case, you can attempt to look at the color of the leaves and if they appear to lighten up then feed nutrients. In the future you may want to water until you get runoff so you know approximately how much nutrients are in the medium. It will make it a bit easier when deciding when to feed. Also the runoff pH will ensure your medium is in the correct range for nutrient uptake. Hope that helps. Your plants look pretty good 🌳
Hi @Mr. Grow It,
thank you sir. I believe first one is always a new scene and everything sounds alarm.
I will promisse not to ask to many question , I really see a lot of posts nowadays. Ib
I believe my biggest doubt now is training. as said I topped all of them and I am thinking on Scrog. seems easier than normal LST.
however I am a bit worried that they have huge leafs and they are blocking the below branches. Should I bend the main stem to be horizontal on all ? Or just wait to grow and reach the net ? I know this is probably a hard question to explain but.
I am worried specially on one that the leafs are covering the whole pot and everything is below them. the leadsead
Sorry for this type of questions but really lost what to do now.